Re: Our fans reaction to our Team taking the knee
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:23 pm
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First and foremost, taking a stand against racism does not automatically make you 'woke'. It make you a decent upstanding member of society.h69 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:43 pmYou may be at a loss and it may be because you live in the US of Woke but it really is simple if you actually listen to the fans who booed.
There are a couple of things that we fundamentally disagree on.
They do it because politics should be banned from Sport permanently and the gesture of Kneeling and raising a fist in the air is historically political and started being used in this country again last year by a marxist organisation whose idol is a scumbag drug dealer and who want to defund the police but whose founders are creaming off the money these sad sacks send in as donations and using it to build a property portfolio.
You can't just decide to use it for something else and pretend that the political reason it was used in the first place does not exist.
Wear Kick its out T Shirts.
Point at an anti racism slogan on a T shirt
Have Anti racism slogans all over the stadium
No-one would object and there would be no booing.
People are booing not because they are racist but because these gestures ARE political whether people are using them to promote anti-racism or not and these footballers need to wake up and get rid of the gestures.
If I decide to use a Nazi salute to make a point and claim it is for anti-racism, would you object ? If I called you a racist because you booed it you would you then ?
Calling people racists because they are booing is lazy and ignorant. The fans are booing that gesture, not an anti-racism message but that does not fit the permanently offended snowflake agenda and allows people and especially Sky Sports and the media to use hours of airtime to virtue signal.
The funny thing is, those that defend the 'taking the knee' gesture are not even sure what they are defending now. They are naturally awkward about it's BLM associations and don't really like the fake solidarity with the 'George Floyd' followers.Flairon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:35 pmFirst and foremost, taking a stand against racism does not automatically make you 'woke'. It make you a decent upstanding member of society.h69 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:43 pm
You may be at a loss and it may be because you live in the US of Woke but it really is simple if you actually listen to the fans who booed.
There are a couple of things that we fundamentally disagree on.
They do it because politics should be banned from Sport permanently and the gesture of Kneeling and raising a fist in the air is historically political and started being used in this country again last year by a marxist organisation whose idol is a scumbag drug dealer and who want to defund the police but whose founders are creaming off the money these sad sacks send in as donations and using it to build a property portfolio.
You can't just decide to use it for something else and pretend that the political reason it was used in the first place does not exist.
Wear Kick its out T Shirts.
Point at an anti racism slogan on a T shirt
Have Anti racism slogans all over the stadium
No-one would object and there would be no booing.
People are booing not because they are racist but because these gestures ARE political whether people are using them to promote anti-racism or not and these footballers need to wake up and get rid of the gestures.
If I decide to use a Nazi salute to make a point and claim it is for anti-racism, would you object ? If I called you a racist because you booed it you would you then ?
Calling people racists because they are booing is lazy and ignorant. The fans are booing that gesture, not an anti-racism message but that does not fit the permanently offended snowflake agenda and allows people and especially Sky Sports and the media to use hours of airtime to virtue signal.
I do not agree that taking a knee is a political statement. It is in my opinion a peaceful protest against social injustice.
At no point did I say that people booing were racist.
I do however agree with you with regard to the kick it out T-shirts. We are imho at a stage where we have to look beyond simple gestures and look for practical solutions.
Smarter people than I have struggled with this issue, but one thing is for sure, I am not going to get up set by someone taking a knee. For me that gesture is a stand against racism (a social issue) and not support for a quasi political group. On this I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Taking a stand indeed does not make you woke but going totally over the top with positive discrimination does.Flairon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:35 pmFirst and foremost, taking a stand against racism does not automatically make you 'woke'. It make you a decent upstanding member of society.h69 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:43 pm
You may be at a loss and it may be because you live in the US of Woke but it really is simple if you actually listen to the fans who booed.
There are a couple of things that we fundamentally disagree on.
They do it because politics should be banned from Sport permanently and the gesture of Kneeling and raising a fist in the air is historically political and started being used in this country again last year by a marxist organisation whose idol is a scumbag drug dealer and who want to defund the police but whose founders are creaming off the money these sad sacks send in as donations and using it to build a property portfolio.
You can't just decide to use it for something else and pretend that the political reason it was used in the first place does not exist.
Wear Kick its out T Shirts.
Point at an anti racism slogan on a T shirt
Have Anti racism slogans all over the stadium
No-one would object and there would be no booing.
People are booing not because they are racist but because these gestures ARE political whether people are using them to promote anti-racism or not and these footballers need to wake up and get rid of the gestures.
If I decide to use a Nazi salute to make a point and claim it is for anti-racism, would you object ? If I called you a racist because you booed it you would you then ?
Calling people racists because they are booing is lazy and ignorant. The fans are booing that gesture, not an anti-racism message but that does not fit the permanently offended snowflake agenda and allows people and especially Sky Sports and the media to use hours of airtime to virtue signal.
I do not agree that taking a knee is a political statement. It is in my opinion a peaceful protest against social injustice.
At no point did I say that people booing were racist.
I do however agree with you with regard to the kick it out T-shirts. We are imho at a stage where we have to look beyond simple gestures and look for practical solutions.
Smarter people than I have struggled with this issue, but one thing is for sure, I am not going to get up set by someone taking a knee. For me that gesture is a stand against racism (a social issue) and not support for a quasi political group. On this I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Can imagine in one of Madrids many Parks..."We're showing the Euros but not our own Spains games....."Dwayne Pipes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:18 pm Our Islamic mayor has set up a football village in Potters fields park to take in the Euros atmosphere
England games will not be shown
Let’s be inclusive and welcoming of all countries and culturesmkhammer wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:59 pmCan imagine in one of Madrids many Parks..."We're showing the Euros but not our own Spains games....."Dwayne Pipes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:18 pm Our Islamic mayor has set up a football village in Potters fields park to take in the Euros atmosphere
England games will not be shown
or Moscow,Rome,Munich.Cardiff,Glasgow,Amsterdam,Prague,Zagreb,Istanbul.............................................................
Bloody ridiculous,just gotta stick some extra stewarding in FFS....
There's one in Trafalgar Sq showing games...Need tickets tho.
I actually thought you were joking about England games not being shown. WtafDwayne Pipes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:11 pmLet’s be inclusive and welcoming of all countries and culturesmkhammer wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:59 pm
Can imagine in one of Madrids many Parks..."We're showing the Euros but not our own Spains games....."
or Moscow,Rome,Munich.Cardiff,Glasgow,Amsterdam,Prague,Zagreb,Istanbul.............................................................
Bloody ridiculous,just gotta stick some extra stewarding in FFS....
There's one in Trafalgar Sq showing games...Need tickets tho.
England can fuck off
Cheers multi cultural London.
Cunt should be strung up.
You are joking Dwayne, surely?Dwayne Pipes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:18 pm Our Islamic mayor has set up a football village in Potters fields park to take in the Euros atmosphere
England games will not be shown