andyginbrasil wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:27 pm
For a club that if you believe what we are told is an ambitious club ..... surely that should reflect on who we target and eventually bring in.
Of all the targets we are supposedly interested in which one will be a regular starter?
JWP?......As someone else on here has stated Moyes has an unhealthy obsession with him as he did with Lingard....Will Paqueta or Soucek get dropped in order for JWP to play....probably not.
What worries me is that our master tactician will move Soucek to Rices position make him captain and play JWP as the box to box. To play them both together defensively would be a catastrophic disaster. But he won't drop Thomas and will play JWP week in week out regardless of his form.
They are saying that he is a dead ball specialist yet he only scored 3 goals from direct free kicks ( from 17 attempts ) and only netted 2 of the 4 penalties he took in the PL last season hardly anything to shout home about. Benny scored 4 penalties from 4.
We have central midfielders, and could get by without bringing anymore mediocre players in. What we need to invest in is three top quality players, regardless of cost,a DM and, a forward who can actually play Moyes style, and a quality LB/LWB.
Rely on what we have for the rest,the team needs to be improved not just squad additions, otherwise there is no ambition to get better is there?
Imo a lot of the stick Soucek gets is unwarranted. When he first came into the side he was a major threat up front (our leading scorer one season ?) and attracted the attention of top clubs, Bayern Munich being one. Fast forward to the following season and his role changed. Rice was pushed further forward and Soucek was obliged to play further back. Whilst Rice is undoubtedly a more skilful player he doesn't present the goal threat that Soucek previously gave. I'm not 100 % sure our league form falling off the proverbial cliff wasn't in part due to that particular tactical switch.
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Sure is mate. It doesn’t help matters when I’m watching the l y’all years on YouTube as we speak, only into his 2nd season and my 2nd year on this planet but it looked so good and promising. We coulda been one of the current big 6 if things were managed better
I guess you missed out on 85/86 then. I was standing on the terraces at The Hawthorns watching our last but one game of the season and West Ham, yes, West fucking Ham, were still in with a shout of being the champions. It had never happened before and I doubt it will ever happen again. We won that day as well but things elsewhere went against us and we ended up finishing third. Still a bloody good effort and a bloody good team. But did we build on it the following season by sensibly adding to and improving the squad.
You know the answer to that already, don't you.
Why Is There Only One Monopolies Commission. Isn't That A Monopoly?
Sure is mate. It doesn’t help matters when I’m watching the l y’all years on YouTube as we speak, only into his 2nd season and my 2nd year on this planet but it looked so good and promising. We coulda been one of the current big 6 if things were managed better
I guess you missed out on 85/86 then. I was standing on the terraces at The Hawthorns watching our last but one game of the season and West Ham, yes, West fucking Ham, were still in with a shout of being the champions. It had never happened before and I doubt it will ever happen again. We won that day as well but things elsewhere went against us and we ended up finishing third. Still a bloody good effort and a bloody good team. But did we build on it the following season by sensibly adding to and improving the squad.
You know the answer to that already, don't you.
I was 11/12 that season so it’s quite blurry tbh. And I take it all back about 75/76, just watched the 2nd half. We were dogshit except for the cup run
andyginbrasil wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:27 pm
For a club that if you believe what we are told is an ambitious club ..... surely that should reflect on who we target and eventually bring in.
Of all the targets we are supposedly interested in which one will be a regular starter?
JWP?......As someone else on here has stated Moyes has an unhealthy obsession with him as he did with Lingard....Will Paqueta or Soucek get dropped in order for JWP to play....probably not.
What worries me is that our master tactician will move Soucek to Rices position make him captain and play JWP as the box to box. To play them both together defensively would be a catastrophic disaster. But he won't drop Thomas and will play JWP week in week out regardless of his form.
They are saying that he is a dead ball specialist yet he only scored 3 goals from direct free kicks ( from 17 attempts ) and only netted 2 of the 4 penalties he took in the PL last season hardly anything to shout home about. Benny scored 4 penalties from 4.
We have central midfielders, and could get by without bringing anymore mediocre players in. What we need to invest in is three top quality players, regardless of cost,a DM and, a forward who can actually play Moyes style, and a quality LB/LWB.
Rely on what we have for the rest,the team needs to be improved not just squad additions, otherwise there is no ambition to get better is there?
Imo a lot of the stick Soucek gets is unwarranted. When he first came into the side he was a major threat up front (our leading scorer one season ?) and attracted the attention of top clubs, Bayern Munich being one. Fast forward to the following season and his role changed. Rice was pushed further forward and Soucek was obliged to play further back. Whilst Rice is undoubtedly a more skilful player he doesn't present the goal threat that Soucek previously gave. I'm not 100 % sure our league form falling off the proverbial cliff wasn't in part due to that particular tactical switch.
I'm not knocking Soucek.......if you read it properly it mentions our popeyed one could use Thomas as the Rice replacement....... which he is not...he is our box to box and not bad at all, ..... but......to rely on him as the out and out defensive midfielder, to allow JWP to get a game, this he is not
Sure is mate. It doesn’t help matters when I’m watching the l y’all years on YouTube as we speak, only into his 2nd season and my 2nd year on this planet but it looked so good and promising. We coulda been one of the current big 6 if things were managed better
I guess you missed out on 85/86 then. I was standing on the terraces at The Hawthorns watching our last but one game of the season and West Ham, yes, West fucking Ham, were still in with a shout of being the champions. It had never happened before and I doubt it will ever happen again. We won that day as well but things elsewhere went against us and we ended up finishing third. Still a bloody good effort and a bloody good team. But did we build on it the following season by sensibly adding to and improving the squad.
You know the answer to that already, don't you.
I was there too.We heard the rumour Chelsea and Liverpool drew and a win against Everton would give us the title..Then the bad news came..
I guess you missed out on 85/86 then. I was standing on the terraces at The Hawthorns watching our last but one game of the season and West Ham, yes, West fucking Ham, were still in with a shout of being the champions. It had never happened before and I doubt it will ever happen again. We won that day as well but things elsewhere went against us and we ended up finishing third. Still a bloody good effort and a bloody good team. But did we build on it the following season by sensibly adding to and improving the squad.
You know the answer to that already, don't you.
I was 11/12 that season so it’s quite blurry tbh. And I take it all back about 75/76, just watched the 2nd half. We were dogshit except for the cup run
We topped the table in November.We did a lot under Lyall..I remember 82/83 season we led it from the start up to the middle of October.That's where the phrase came,West Ham come down with the decorations after Christmas.
I was 11/12 that season so it’s quite blurry tbh. And I take it all back about 75/76, just watched the 2nd half. We were dogshit except for the cup run
We topped the table in November.We did a lot under Lyall..I remember 82/83 season we led it from the start up to the middle of October.That's where the phrase came,West Ham come down with the decorations after Christmas.
D’ya think if we’d shown more ambition back then, we’d be much better off these days?
andyginbrasil wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:27 pm
For a club that if you believe what we are told is an ambitious club ..... surely that should reflect on who we target and eventually bring in.
Of all the targets we are supposedly interested in which one will be a regular starter?
JWP?......As someone else on here has stated Moyes has an unhealthy obsession with him as he did with Lingard....Will Paqueta or Soucek get dropped in order for JWP to play....probably not.
What worries me is that our master tactician will move Soucek to Rices position make him captain and play JWP as the box to box. To play them both together defensively would be a catastrophic disaster. But he won't drop Thomas and will play JWP week in week out regardless of his form.
They are saying that he is a dead ball specialist yet he only scored 3 goals from direct free kicks ( from 17 attempts ) and only netted 2 of the 4 penalties he took in the PL last season hardly anything to shout home about. Benny scored 4 penalties from 4.
We have central midfielders, and could get by without bringing anymore mediocre players in. What we need to invest in is three top quality players, regardless of cost,a DM and, a forward who can actually play Moyes style, and a quality LB/LWB.
Rely on what we have for the rest,the team needs to be improved not just squad additions, otherwise there is no ambition to get better is there?
Imo a lot of the stick Soucek gets is unwarranted. When he first came into the side he was a major threat up front (our leading scorer one season ?) and attracted the attention of top clubs, Bayern Munich being one. Fast forward to the following season and his role changed. Rice was pushed further forward and Soucek was obliged to play further back. Whilst Rice is undoubtedly a more skilful player he doesn't present the goal threat that Soucek previously gave. I'm not 100 % sure our league form falling off the proverbial cliff wasn't in part due to that particular tactical switch.
I couldn’t believe it at the time how Moyes was so prepared, at the time , to fix what wasn’t broken by changing everything around in our midfield in order for such a young upstart to pursue his own personal ambition of becoming the new Stevie G at the expense of a team that had just finished 6th.
Looking back now , knowing what we know , it was if Rice had some sort of hold over Moyes .
For a manager that we know to be one of the if not THE most stubborn Ox in the game , it’s amazing what the man may or may not have agreed to over the last 3+ years in order to keep his job .
I’m sure his masters in turn cannot be easily absolved from blame either . Imo at least .
Who was it who called Moyes a yes man from the very beginning ?
We topped the table in November.We did a lot under Lyall..I remember 82/83 season we led it from the start up to the middle of October.That's where the phrase came,West Ham come down with the decorations after Christmas.
D’ya think if we’d shown more ambition back then, we’d be much better off these days?
It's a different game now all together.Back then,the likes of Derby and Leeds won the League and look where they are now?Everton were a force in the mid 80's and they aren't too clever either.
