America burns

[mkhammer]

They don't get away scott free mate...always an enquiry
End of the day the guy (copper) faced potential manslaughter charges....was sacked....Personally I might have sacked him for the
hit across the legs ..that was unwarranted and an attack....but a shove is just a shove.....seen it hundreds of times...
in numerous circumstances as no doubt we all have...police to footie..pub bouncers/pub fights..January sales....
fucks sake saw it some bloody clothes shops yesterday...cos people wanna buy a bloody T/Shirt/Top..
People have died thru heart attacks in a scramble to buy a pair of bloody trainers...anyone get charged with manslaughter,
yet a guy trying to quell a potential riot and keep public order does..

I think we tend to generalise a bit to much ..I try not to but it's hard...especially with our Press/Media putting a Negative
spin on everything and searching/looking for Negative Stories.....Copper catches thief.......Copper Pushes someone over....
which will get most publicity....

We Forget people are just people.....That Copper Pushed a poor bloke over....one Copper...and all his colleagues become
nasty bastards along with him......that's just not fair.

Society is full of Nice and Not So nice people...Rich...Poor...MPs...Police...think touched on that before so wont bang on..
But we need to acknowledge that...

Personally think it's the judicial system as a whole needs looking at...sentencing...again something we've touched on before
....it absolutely F.in sucks in a lot of cases....not the actual beat copper...
They nick people...then they just walk....

If you read about the PC involved there was a long line of questionable behaviour. He had previous for violence. And surprise, surprise look how he was looked after -- On Friday, 14 September 2001, before the case was heard by a discipline board, Harwood retired on medical grounds.Three days later, on Monday, 17 September, he rejoined the Met as a civilian computer worker -- and after being helped to swerve a discipline board he was back as a PC a couple of years later.
There's lying, violence, covering up his number on the day, and the only reason his name is known is because it was leaked. All of this is exactly what I'm talking about. This is a bad police officer, yet he was afforded unwarranted protection -- the investigating officer even lied saying Tomlinson had fallen over --, and chance after chance after chance until his actions resulted in an utterly needless death.

Fact is if there'd been no video footage there wouldn't have been a trial, not that it mattered anyway as, surprise, surprise, a not guilty verdict was arrived at.
Do you feel comfortable that officers like this not only exist, but that their unacceptable behaviour is protected by the system that's meant to hold them to account?

I honestly get what you're saying mate...bad copper...and not naive to know the old bill don't cover up...they will do
if it suits....but every establishment looks after their own...and like said a shit copper as he is...it didn't warrant a Manslaughter
charge....violent conduct and dismissal yes...admit didn't know the rest..

But Maintain the Majority of beat coppers...in fact old bill on all levels mean well....the judiciary don't back them up...
chuck i some do gooding social workers...it's a job convicting and sentencing any bastard these days....

[BlackDiamond]

The Atlanta police officer who shot and killed Rayshard Brooks was fired by the Atlanta police department following what officials called the “unjustified” killing.

The body cam footage recorded that incidents interactions and it's hard after viewing it, not to conclude that the only reason Rayshard Brooks ass is dead, is because of Rayshard Brooks.

[Neville Bartos]

https://theliberal.ie/do-white-lives-ma ... rge-floyd/

In the light of the recent riots and world-wide protests sparked by the death of African American criminal George Floyd after a police officer kneeled on his neck many people are making comparisons to a similar case in the US from 2016 which saw a white man killed.

You have probably never heard of Tony Timpa but in August 2016 he phoned 911 asking for help as he had not taken his schizophrenia medication and was experiencing an episode.

Officers from the Dallas Police Department arrived and detained the distressed and unwell man before placing him in a holding position similar to which George Floyd was held. Unlike Mr Floyd, Mr Timpa did not have a lengthy and violent criminal record.



Body camera footage from the officers showed Mr Timpa begging and pleading with officers who kneeled on his neck and back before finally succumbing and dying under their pressure. Officers can then be heard mocking the innocent man they had just murdered.

So far, Mr Timpa’s family have had to fight an expensive legal battle against the DPD and are still in the process of a wrongful death lawsuit first filed in December 2016.

However, Mr Timpa and his family have received no expressions of public support, no outrage, no protest marches, no moments of silence from parliaments all over the world while the officers who murdered him have faced no reprimand.

This discrepancy between the reaction to the two cases has many people asking Do White Lives Matter?




It's worth remembering officers are taught that the position they adopt in the video can be very dangerous for the individual being restrained.

That no one cared about this until now might just answer the question the article asks.

[Newmarket]

https://theliberal.ie/do-white-lives-ma ... rge-floyd/

In the light of the recent riots and world-wide protests sparked by the death of African American criminal George Floyd after a police officer kneeled on his neck many people are making comparisons to a similar case in the US from 2016 which saw a white man killed.

You have probably never heard of Tony Timpa but in August 2016 he phoned 911 asking for help as he had not taken his schizophrenia medication and was experiencing an episode.

Officers from the Dallas Police Department arrived and detained the distressed and unwell man before placing him in a holding position similar to which George Floyd was held. Unlike Mr Floyd, Mr Timpa did not have a lengthy and violent criminal record.



Body camera footage from the officers showed Mr Timpa begging and pleading with officers who kneeled on his neck and back before finally succumbing and dying under their pressure. Officers can then be heard mocking the innocent man they had just murdered.

So far, Mr Timpa’s family have had to fight an expensive legal battle against the DPD and are still in the process of a wrongful death lawsuit first filed in December 2016.

However, Mr Timpa and his family have received no expressions of public support, no outrage, no protest marches, no moments of silence from parliaments all over the world while the officers who murdered him have faced no reprimand.

This discrepancy between the reaction to the two cases has many people asking Do White Lives Matter?




It's worth remembering officers are taught that the position they adopt in the video can be very dangerous for the individual being restrained.

That no one cared about this until now might just answer the question the article asks.

And not forgetting Duncan Lemp

[Dwayne Pipes]

Funny the most recent convictions for using children and adults for slavery over here were an African woman and an Asian pensioner.
Not counting the Polish human trafficking gang and of course the dear old Albanians .
Apparently the continent where slavery is most prevalent is you guessed it Africa.

[mkhammer]

The Atlanta police officer who shot and killed Rayshard Brooks was fired by the Atlanta police department following what officials called the “unjustified” killing.

The body cam footage recorded that incidents interactions and it's hard after viewing it, not to conclude that the only reason Rayshard Brooks ass is dead, is because of Rayshard Brooks.

Sorry BD ...Thats Murder. I cant even make a manslaughter case for it .....and the guy WILL serve time ....

The guy panicked ..he was co-operative...he's reasoning was affected because of being a bit tired/tipsy,and had just recently
watched a guy ....brutally killed by the police,after being handcuffed for a minor incursion...
Even if the guy had 20lbs of coke in his boot ....thats an illegal killing.

If the guy had stopped, turned a took aim and fired...thats different....manslaughter...the guy randomly shot whilst running
away....so that's more than likely a Murder charge....

Niggling feeling watching all the vids...that copper wanted something to happen.....funny how often it's the back up
patrol ..thats the problem...

Seriously WTF was that officer thinking of.....he looked a bit agitated from the start...
Taser unhooked already to go....or be grabbed.....

[BlackDiamond]

The Atlanta police officer who shot and killed Rayshard Brooks was fired by the Atlanta police department following what officials called the “unjustified” killing.

The body cam footage recorded that incidents interactions and it's hard after viewing it, not to conclude that the only reason Rayshard Brooks ass is dead, is because of Rayshard Brooks.

Sorry BD ...Thats Murder. I cant even make a manslaughter case for it .....and the guy WILL serve time ....

The guy panicked ..he was co-operative...he's reasoning was affected because of being a bit tired/tipsy,and had just recently
watched a guy ....brutally killed by the police,after being handcuffed for a minor incursion...
Even if the guy had 20lbs of coke in his boot ....thats an illegal killing.

If the guy had stopped, turned a took aim and fired...thats different....manslaughter...the guy randomly shot whilst running
away....so that's more than likely a Murder charge....

Niggling feeling watching all the vids...that copper wanted something to happen.....funny how often it's the back up
patrol ..thats the problem...

Seriously WTF was that officer thinking of.....he looked a bit agitated from the start...
Taser unhooked already to go....or be grabbed.....

Hang on, let's not lose the shape of this.

This is not a movie,where you are reviewing the story structure and offering specific opinions on the events depicted.

It is an edited recording of real events in the sequence they occurred.

So what it actually shows and documents is the moment when a man under arrest,breaks free from restraint,takes
an officers taser,threatens the officer and is then disabled by the officer. That's the content.

And the escalation of conflict can be clearly seen and heard long before the suspect turns and discharges a taser
directly at an officer which resulted in the suspects fatal shooting.

The idea of charging the officer with murder is simply ludicrous. Because under what circumstances is a Policeman
allowed to protect his own life. Exactly.

[h69]

Bloke steals weapon from police officer and aims it at him, bloke is shot. He was asked a number of times to stop fighting and resisting. Too bad.

Self defense.

[mkhammer]

Sorry BD ...Thats Murder. I cant even make a manslaughter case for it .....and the guy WILL serve time ....

The guy panicked ..he was co-operative...he's reasoning was affected because of being a bit tired/tipsy,and had just recently
watched a guy ....brutally killed by the police,after being handcuffed for a minor incursion...
Even if the guy had 20lbs of coke in his boot ....thats an illegal killing.

If the guy had stopped, turned a took aim and fired...thats different....manslaughter...the guy randomly shot whilst running
away....so that's more than likely a Murder charge....

Niggling feeling watching all the vids...that copper wanted something to happen.....funny how often it's the back up
patrol ..thats the problem...

Seriously WTF was that officer thinking of.....he looked a bit agitated from the start...
Taser unhooked already to go....or be grabbed.....

Hang on, let's not lose the shape of this.

This is not a movie,where you are reviewing the story structure and offering specific opinions on the events depicted.

It is an edited recording of real events in the sequence they occurred.

So what it actually shows and documents is the moment when a man under arrest,breaks free from restraint,takes
an officers taser,threatens the officer and is then disabled by the officer. That's the content.

And the escalation of conflict can be clearly seen and heard long before the suspect turns and discharges a taser
directly at an officer which resulted in the suspects fatal shooting.

The idea of charging the officer with murder is simply ludicrous. Because under what circumstances is a Policeman
allowed to protect his own life. Exactly.

But you can only go on the evidence from the footage...which TBH is nearly perfect...no real grey area to discuss...
You're saying its OK to Shoot and "Deliberately "Kill a drunken guy that has gone into panic mode...for what are bloody
good reasons...considering recent events..I disagree, as the courts will do....this is cut and dried Mate.
He's life was never under threat BD...thats a defence that wont bear up in court.,if it was then the everyday use of the
police using Tasers has to be stopped...because they are life threatening according to the Police themselves..
He was running away...didn't aim at the officer,who he could have probably hit if he really wanted to...was more a
warning...leave me alone thing..

A Taser doesn't kill you....the police use them on themselves in training...it stuns the nervous system for a minute
or so....
They have his car, documents...they know where he lives....he's just gonna run home...pick him up later...if he does gets away
so what...he fell asleep in his car FFS.......Seriously mate you cant kill someone cos of that...

Like said before he takes a gun....I'd shoot him...no question...not a Taser...

Sorry again mate...but thats very near to as clear case of someone unnecessarily/needlessly killing someone as it gets...
Even murderers usually have a reason...

[mkhammer]

Bloke steals weapon from police officer and aims it at him, bloke is shot. He was asked a number of times to stop fighting and resisting. Too bad.

Self defense.

Seriously H...but what stretch of the imagination is that self defence mate.....