mkhammer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:43 am
Whiskyman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:26 pm
Let's get it right. No one is
fucking the rest of the world off. What I said was I'm not directly concerned about the damage the German and French, to name 2, government's are doing to their economies. I am however concerned with the damage to our UK economy because that is the country, unless they're lucky and able to fuck off elsewhere to get decent work, my grandchildren will have to exist in.
Nor could I give a flying fuck there are 4 million, or even 40 fucking million, new cases a week. The ONLY statistic that is truly relevant is the number of deaths. There have been loads of sportspeople who have had it and are back playing their particular sport. Johnson & Trump have both had it. Trump was back at work within days. If I remember correctly football in the UK first got shut down when Mikel Arteta caught it. He didn't look too bad when I saw him on the touchline this evening. And these are relatuively high profile people. There are literally MILLIONS recovering from this thing every week. But all we keep hearing about are stories like the stupid fucking 70 odd years old woman from somewhere in the West Country moaning that the "plague" (her words) stopped her mother getting her telegram from the queen because she died 4 months short of her hundredth birthday.
Yes people, you heard it right. A 99 year old woman dies and it's all down to Covid.. Fuck knows what would have happened if the cunts running the shop now had been in charge when the Luftwaffe were bombing the shit out of London 80 years ago. And your remark about why government's would "big it up". Isn't it the oldest trick in the world to present the worst possible case scenario, I'm expecting more scare stories about potential death rates soon, so that when the worst case doesn't happen everyone can pat themselves on the back and say what clever little boys they are.
Cynical, certainly. But under these circumstances I feel my cynicism is fully justified.
Sorry mate you're wrong OUR economy is driven and guided by the worlds Economies...Europe,States,China,Far east-Japan
etc especially...they crash we crash,it's all linked....all about trade..they can't buy, we can't sell and vice versa..,but I feel
I'm telling you shit you already know,thats why I'm surprised by your take on it.
Also like keep on saying ..you seem to be ignoring the fact..Boris and Co have been doing everything poss to avoid Lockdowns
and keep the Economy moving..they're being slated for it...you're having a dig and they're doing what you want,thats not fair.
Your argument is over simplistic. Our macro economy is obviously interlinked with other economies. Our micro economy isn't. My local, pub, restaurants, hairdressers, builders and countless dozen other poor sode struggling to get by are not influenced by anything that happens in Minneapolis, Munich or fucking Mumbai. And the micro economy is the one all this fannying around is screwing most.
mkhammer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:43 am
The More cases there are the more people die before their time...here or anywhere,and for those that do die,it's a slow
lonely death...whereby you can't breathe and all your organs slowly begin to shut down.
Your evidence for that graphic medical critique is where exactly ? The Lancet ? Or someone who wrote in to the Daily Star telling his or her story of how their 90 year old granny passed away. Any death is a tragedy for the people affected by it and I think the process of the organs slowly shutting down is a common factor in most deaths. My mother died in her 80s from cancer and the doctor treating her pretty much used those exact words to tell the family what to expect as she slipped away.
mkhammer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:43 am
Anyway it's not only about the deaths, it's about people suffering and taking up hospital beds,that we both agree on is
preventing long term treatment of other ailments...while this thing is around more will die earlier from other illnesses..
THAT WHY we have to get a grip of it,get it under control....Plainly and Simply it's a human contact thing so we do
everything poss to avoid that.
I simply don't get your point that it's not just about deaths. People get sick all the time, and they recover. Not just from Covid, but from pretty much every ailment known to man. FFS if we shut down the economy every time someone caught a bloody cold---------. Of course we should primarily be concerned about deaths. So why is the government not coming clean about the statistics relating to those who are succumbing ? I'll leave you to work that out.
We can at least agree on the scandal of hospital beds. But as I think I've mentioned before Mrs W has a friend who is a GP and she has told Mrs W that in our health area around 90% of hospital admissions could, and in her opinion should, never have seen the inside of a hospital. But of course I suppose those statistics of admissions will be used to bolster the case for yet more NHS funding in due course.
mkhammer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:43 am
It's fucked up as many people as it's gone easy on ..so your references are one sided Whisky.
Thats my point on this, we get Flu other ailments ..it's pretty uniform in it's effects,treatments and outcomes,this shit
of a thing appears to be totally random...brings totally fit people to their knees, a 90 year old will have minor symptoms..
Again ..it's the unknown thing about it.
I ask again, where is the evidence that
It's fucked up as many people as it's gone easy on. And not being pedantic, real hard evidence, not just anecdotes and soundbites from the BBC interviewing people about
How I overcame my Covid Hell.
You seem an intelligent guy from most of your posts but I honestly believe on this subject you, like a lot of other people, are buying in far too easily to Project Fear.
Pale ..sorry mate I'm not seeing incompetence ...it aint poss to make long term plans at the moment,we can't go..Right
we'll keep everything as norm see what happens...and watch it spread among us rapidly which it would do...
we Can't shut down till it's gone away, thats 18 months away minimum....gotta sit somewhere in the middle,and be guided
by whats happening, it slows we open up a bit,it spikes we shut down,we have to go with it,keep us safe, keep the Economy
ticking over...that means changing tact every now and again...
Last week or so Worldwide it's gone fuckin crazy and rising...our prob is rising to..thats what guiding this latest lockdown.
it was unexpected..and therefore not planned.
First to admit it Sucks..and totally fucks peoples lives and livelihoods up...but it's not the Governments fault...it's not a Tory thing
would be defending any Government that was in office during this time.
Cos Labour would be doing similar...there aint a lot of options.
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