Good post H69 and as a diversification on managerial trends (and we all like Carlo Ancelloti very much) consider this.h69 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:34 pmHe will be by me if he can consistently finish in the top 6 or 7. I want us to compete, that is all I ask. A few years of being up the top, enjoying results rather than looking at relegation I would love.Castiron wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:08 pm
Your opinion. So what is the point then?.
What is the end goal of a football team?.
In my book to win something.
Go and ask Ferguson why he was in the game. Go and ask Pep why he is in the game.
Go and ask any player why they play the game.
Go and ask if the Everton fans are happy that Moyes kept them in the top ten most seasons but won fuck all.
I like what Moyes is doing thus far, but he is still a manager who has won fuck all in the game. If he can deliver trophies then I will like him even more.
He won't be remembered for finishing 5th or 6th, but would be if we lifted a trophy.
I dont doubt that winning something is the be-all and end-all to some people just for the day out but the point is that Moyes is more likely to win a cup with our squad and budget than Pellegrini ever is. Their performances as managers at other clubs is not an indicator in any way shape or form as far as a cup goes. We were suckered with that naive view with Pellegrini. He was never going to win anything with us but had with other teams.
That said, this demand that we win a trophy is infantile. Of course we all want us to win one but how many trophies have been won by teams outside the so called top 4 or 5 in the last 15 years. By your example, do you think that Nuno has been a failure at Wolves ? Rodgers at Leicester ? If Everton finish 5th this season under Ancelotti do you think they will see him as a failure ?
The fact that you expect us to have the same expectation as Ferguson and Pep is frankly laughable. Go and look at the Spurs forum to show how happy they are with their serial winner and they are in a League cup final. Granted they have not won it yet but they seem to prefer top 4 and Champions League qualification and they have not won anything in 20 years.
Everton.....a team that got rid of Moyes despite him keeping them up the top of the league reasonably consistently because they felt they should be winning trophies and got in Martinez, Allardyce and Koeman. How has that worked out for them ?? They say they got Koeman in to turn Everton into Barca but he has turned Barca into Everton
I personally want to see us compete in the league. I'd love to win an FA cup or a League cup but that is very difficult to do nowadays, unlike the old days, the gap between us and Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Chelsea in finances is why they almost always mop up the cups.
As far as setting up against the big clubs...Moyes, himself said he was not happy with the way the team backed off against Liverpool, The team he put out was offensive enough but they were scared...that was down to the players to be honest.
As far as players. I would think nearly every one of them would rather play in the CL than win an FA or League cup medal. Every one. If they say otherwise they are lying. It is not the romantic view that fans have but it is the way the game is these days. It raises their profile (and earning potential).
We have a goal difference of +10. That is not a negative team.
This is not the 80s.
Two British managager sit in the top 4 and six English managers make up the bottom 6. I'm not blaming them but - come on boys