Hammers Chat

terrya1965 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:55 am

Clayton wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:33 am Divers and cheaters have always been a big hatred of mine in the game and the appropriate action should be made ( actually think they are ignored far to often by refs ) , but I also despise those players who insist on waving the invisible card at refs , they should all be dealt with in the same manner as those who commit a foul .

I agree.I hate the cheats in the game.I think with TV evidence,they should be able to dig the cheats out.

Clayton wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:27 pm

mkhammer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:12 pm


What I'm saying Clay,it depends whats on it....you do that fumble playing for England against the all Blacks in a world
cup final....I guarantee,you don't go ...hey ref I messed that up,you need to disallow it...

I 'll use West Ham...think used this before somewhere....last game of season,we need a draw to stay up..1-0 down
91st minute...you're running into the box,going nowhere,balls running out...CH comes sliding in....do you
A .. jump out of the way,avoiding Contact,which you could easily do or
B...slow down,hold your ground let him hit you...

B is Subtle but conning nonetheless...

Plus... A...............your life would be F.in misery from team mates ..fans etc...

We would have beat the All Blacks without cheating mate , if not we just aren't good enough , that's that , and I can honestly say hand on heart I would tell the ref , that's just me . As far as team mates go they would know how I would act and as for the fans go they would have to live with it , the poor things .

Whiskyman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:17 pm

terrya1965 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:55 am

I agree.I hate the cheats in the game.I think with TV evidence,they should be able to dig the cheats out.

So what do you propose Terry ? Banning everyone who commits an intentional foul to gain an advantage. Taking one for the team ? Is diving any worse than that ?

Players dive when there's contact because they know bloody well the referees won't give free kicks or penalties if they don't go to ground. If the referees did their jobs properly instead of bottling out of making some of the key decisions I feel sure we'd see a big reduction in offences of "simulation".

terrya1965 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:51 pm

Whiskyman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:17 pm

So what do you propose Terry ? Banning everyone who commits an intentional foul to gain an advantage. Taking one for the team ? Is diving any worse than that ?

Players dive when there's contact because they know bloody well the referees won't give free kicks or penalties if they don't go to ground. If the referees did their jobs properly instead of bottling out of making some of the key decisions I feel sure we'd see a big reduction in offences of "simulation".

Don`t be so facetious Whiskyman.

Maybe if they had an independent panel,instead of their own Referee cartel,it may stop it.That is the problem with VAR..They are in it,to look after each other and not for the good of the game.

eskimo joe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:52 am Perspective really isnt it?! Taking one for the team isnt exactly trying to fool the referee to get something they dont deserve, And the punishment is clear on those offences. So is the punishment for diving, but the latter is often over looked the former so obvious that it doesnt even need VAR.

I wonder how many of those players praise VAR when a decision goes for them but curse it when it goes against. VAR in my opinion has become a dragged out version of the on field officials balls ups. DO AWAY WITH IT. Or limit its use.

Whiskyman wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:44 am

eskimo joe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:52 am Perspective really isnt it?! Taking one for the team isnt exactly trying to fool the referee to get something they dont deserve, And the punishment is clear on those offences. So is the punishment for diving, but the latter is often over looked the former so obvious that it doesnt even need VAR.

I wonder how many of those players praise VAR when a decision goes for them but curse it when it goes against. VAR in my opinion has become a dragged out version of the on field officials balls ups. DO AWAY WITH IT. Or limit its use.

So what you're saying Joe is that it's OK to cheat. providing you do it openly so everyone can see it ?

I do agree that VAR has become a complete fiasco though. The original idea of it rectifying "clear and obvious" errors, like for example Liverpool's offside goal against us last season, was a good one but, as usual, the jobsworths have taken over and now every decision has to be scrutinised. Logically the next step will be disallowing a goal for example scored from a corner, or throw in, where the decision should have been a goal kick or a throw in the other way.

eskimo joe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:49 am

Whiskyman wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:44 am

So what you're saying Joe is that it's OK to cheat. providing you do it openly so everyone can see it ?

I do agree that VAR has become a complete fiasco though. The original idea of it rectifying "clear and obvious" errors, like for example Liverpool's offside goal against us last season, was a good one but, as usual, the jobsworths have taken over and now every decision has to be scrutinised. Logically the next step will be disallowing a goal for example scored from a corner, or throw in, where the decision should have been a goal kick or a throw in the other way.

no i am not saying that at all, but there`s cheating and theres cheating. Ì said its ones personal perspective. At least one of them is honest about it. You can say the first has always been part of the game, the second has become part of our game, Neither is necessarily ok, but the second is seen as more abhorrent than the first mainly because often they gain more. I can accept the take it for the team, but not the other.