That’s it for me , I won’t be watching...

[Whiskyman]

I'd have much more sympathy with the OB if they utilised their time better tbh, Earlier today I drove past a police speed check where there were a total of 5, yes FIVE, officers, stationed in 2 locations. There were two of those speed gun things and also a van.

A massive waste of police resources imo. And before anyone states the obvious, no I wasn't caught in it. But probably only because I know they regularly target that particular stretch of road.

A bit of useless information. Jermain Defoe used to own a house down the same road. Maybe still does.

[BlackDiamond]

Like I said,I think in the UK,we have more equality than any other country in the world.There is more police brutality there in USA and only someone like Flairon can tell us what that is like,because the majority of us don't live or have never lived there.

Imo you can't get more "equal", if talking about race, than a country which has a majority of white citizens electing a black man to it's top office. I have lived and worked in the USA, admittedly only for a short time before my then employer moved me to Germany, but one thing that was certainly the case then, and probably is still the case now given the woeful statistics of successful prosecutions in this country, is that the police over there are more effective in bringing offenders to justice.

That might be because the justice system operates at the top of a huge money making cartel and it's in everyone's best interests that it continues that way.

We might like to think that the more exposure blacks have to senior positions of authority, the better overall black outcomes are managed.

Take Baltimore,most dangerous city in the US. Suffers huge tensions and protests between blacks and police officers.Yet that city’s mayor, its police commissioner,the state’s attorney are all black.

It's unbelievable Jeff

[Whiskyman]

Imo you can't get more "equal", if talking about race, than a country which has a majority of white citizens electing a black man to it's top office. I have lived and worked in the USA, admittedly only for a short time before my then employer moved me to Germany, but one thing that was certainly the case then, and probably is still the case now given the woeful statistics of successful prosecutions in this country, is that the police over there are more effective in bringing offenders to justice.

That might be because the justice system operates at the top of a huge money making cartel and it's in everyone's best interests that it continues that way.

We might like to think that the more exposure blacks have to senior positions of authority, the better overall black outcomes are managed.

Take Baltimore,most dangerous city in the US. Suffers huge tensions and protests between blacks and police officers.Yet that city’s mayor, its police commissioner,the state’s attorney are all black.

It's unbelievable Jeff

It could be for the reasons you state. Or , of course, it could be that the UK, with a total of under 8% of reported crimes getting to court, not convictions mind you, just getting into court, has one of the lowest, if not maybe the lowest, clear up rates in the free world. And that , just maybe, indicates either that the police as an organisation is just downright incompetent or, alternatively, that police officers are not being used effectively.

[BlackDiamond]

That might be because the justice system operates at the top of a huge money making cartel and it's in everyone's best interests that it continues that way.

We might like to think that the more exposure blacks have to senior positions of authority, the better overall black outcomes are managed.

Take Baltimore,most dangerous city in the US. Suffers huge tensions and protests between blacks and police officers.Yet that city’s mayor, its police commissioner,the state’s attorney are all black.

It's unbelievable Jeff

It could be for the reasons you state. Or , of course, it could be that the UK, with a total of under 8% of reported crimes getting to court, not convictions mind you, just getting into court, has one of the lowest, if not maybe the lowest, clear up rates in the free world. And that , just maybe, indicates either that the police as an organisation is just downright incompetent or, alternatively, that police officers are not being used effectively.

In the states almost every case is a plea,so success is guaranteed. Both in statistics and more importantly generating money for all those that work in the system. The average US cop salary is 69K. The cost to the state tax for every person incarcerated per year is 31K,in some states the cost is 60K.

You can see why killing a person that was heading to jail would cause the person who did it,to be punished themselves. It's a big loss in future revenue.

That's probably 500K not claimed,from all the processing,legal,court,custodial costs. And people get fucking angry when they lose money.

For those in the system it's a game.For those outside,it's a rigged game. But since the two sides are not equal then those inside the system keep it as it is,or even improve the model. In some ways the way the whole thing is arranged and coordinated, it's like a perfect machine.

I would say in the US they like it just the way it is. And the odd riot and a few burnt cars mean fuck all when you look at year end accounts.

[terrya1965]

Hope this helps

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/ ... -220m-deal

Whoever said you live and learn certainly got that one right.

Must be losing my grip since I retired.

Well,tbh mate,you get hardly anything else wrong...Lick lick

[Whiskyman]

Whoever said you live and learn certainly got that one right.

Must be losing my grip since I retired.

Well,tbh mate,you get hardly anything else wrong...Lick lick

Cheque's in the post.

[Flairon]

To my mind it is a social issue, as opposed to a political one.

It is something that we should all want addressed and rectified. They fact that is does not affect "us" because the colour of our skin should not be a factor. If someone wishes to demonstrate their support for a movement by peacefully taking a knee, we should support their right to do so.

On the other hand those that wish to loot or riot should be treated accordingly.

It is a social one especially in the US and you are welcome to do just that although I abhor this stuff being connected to sport. I do think they make the issues to be far worse than they really are....I, like Whiskey, lived in the US for a year or so (I lived in Florida) and I didn't come across any issues there. Does not mean there are none but given there was a Black president and a black president in the army recently I dont see that these people are being blocked either. But protest away if it makes you feel better.

However what I cant get through to Hammertime is that this country is not Alabama and in this country there are two sets of people that have jumped on this bandwagon and used it as a pass to commit crime, loot and call everyone a racist

1) Black people who want to take advantage of this to attack the police and loot. We saw riots in Brixton on Wed and Notting Hill last night where they just attack the police and the left wing media try and spin it (see below)

2) Anti-capitalists. These people want to bring down the govt and create an anarchic state as they want everything handed to them, wont work and use any excuse to cause problems. It was Anti-capitalism then it was XR and not this bullshit BLM movement.

So that is why I find all this virtue signalling appalling. We are a very different country to the US and had a country that actually has the least racism in Europe.

Now we have riots by black people every night because they can get away and white people sacked from their jobs for saying their lives matter and all of this is down to the supposed BLM movement. It has put race relations back 20 years here and given the woke left a platform backed by the media.

I feel sorry for the police. Their leadership is too weak and cowtows to the left as well but the men and women on the ground don't deserve this. Hammertime calls me a racist because I am appalled by these actions. I'm not surprised but I did like this cops view.

I am amazed that you did not see any issues during your time in Florida.

I have lived here (South Florida) for 21 years and they are clear and obvious on a day-to-day basis.

Having said that, I have not seen the nation so divided as I do under this President. The sad joke is that they will probably give him another 4 years. Then again with such pearls of wisdom as. "If we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cased of corona virus", why wouldn't you!?! The man's a fucking genius.

I deplore those that simply wish to riot or loot. However, if we have any hope of moving forward as a society they MUST NOT be allowed to detract from the cause of peaceful protestors. Sportsman or Artists using the public stage to promote that message is therefore fine by me, especially when it shows people of every ethnicity unified.

[andyginbrasil]

Now this takes it to another level........how long will it take for them to get on this......RIP Robinsons....

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[Whiskyman]

Now this takes it to another level........how long will it take for them to get on this......RIP Robinsons....
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But I'd counter that argument by saying that Roulette is worse. You can bet on Black or Red. But yiou can't have a punt on white, can you ? And in poker if it's agreed that the suits are ranked, in the event of two identical flushes, the highest ranking suit is spades. Black again.

Am I allowed to say "spades" in this context btw ?

[BlackDiamond]

Now this takes it to another level........how long will it take for them to get on this......RIP Robinsons....
Chess.jpeg

But I'd counter that argument by saying that Roulette is worse. You can bet on Black or Red. But yiou can't have a punt on white, can you ? And in poker if it's agreed that the suits are ranked, in the event of two identical flushes, the highest ranking suit is spades. Black again.

Am I allowed to say "spades" in this context btw ?

In roulette you can use rouge and noir,very cosmopolitan. - In fact you can shout fucking noir and nobody will think it's racist in the least.

In a casino you probably are allowed to use the phrase spades - in french - as it's translation would be "are you having a good dig" rather than "are you a spade" it's all in the context and high rollers are very tolerant especially if they are winning.