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only1salty wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:50 pm
13% of the UK is BAME

15% of new executive appointments will be from a BAME background, with 30% female.
25% of new coaching appointments will be BAME and 10% of senior coaching appointments.

This is a fucking racist doctrine. You are selected based on colour not ability and we will also ensure over representation

Let me repeat 87% of the UK population is white and yet there is now a rule in football that says only 75% of new coaches can be white

Job selection based on skin colour - equality
In terms of football though there are 33% of total footballers that are black.
That is where they will have taken their proportions from.
It’s not what you do it is the way that you do it.

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Another load of old cunt
Bring back Jonathon !

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You want something enough ,work hard ,put the hours in,take the exams...you might just get what you want,and
if you keep on and on...you will get there...colour irrespective...especially in football...your not working to becoming a
high court judge FFS..
Then you might have a few questions..

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Towie wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:57 pm
only1salty wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:50 pm
13% of the UK is BAME

15% of new executive appointments will be from a BAME background, with 30% female.
25% of new coaching appointments will be BAME and 10% of senior coaching appointments.

This is a fucking racist doctrine. You are selected based on colour not ability and we will also ensure over representation

Let me repeat 87% of the UK population is white and yet there is now a rule in football that says only 75% of new coaches can be white

Job selection based on skin colour - equality
In terms of football though there are 33% of total footballers that are black.
That is where they will have taken their proportions from.
Doesn't matter where they get their figures and stat's from we live in a country supposedly free from discrimination which for those that do not know is the unjust or prejudicial treatment of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, sex, or disability.
Well I can say without prejudice that is is a load of bollocks , doesn't matter where you live in the world their has always existed a freedom to discriminate even in this day and age .
I have been in the workforce since the age of 15 and on this planet for nearly 65 years , and have experienced and seen it with my own eyes , growing up from the age of 6 years and until I was 25 in Australia and New Zealand to English ( Pommie ) parents . I have travelled all over the Pacific and the Middle East in my life prior to settling down back in England in 1981 , ( where we cannot even be English or fly the Cross of St George , but its ok if your a Scot/Welsh or Irish ) .
Wasn't that long ago (15 years ) I myself was discriminated against , by the company I was employed by - a position was to become available that I was asked to apply for by my manager but prior to filling in the application he came and told me there was no point as he had been directed by the area manager that the position had to be given to one of two of my colleagues who had a different complexion . Neither had the qualifications or respect of their fellow workforce though they had been employed in the field over 10 years longer then me .
I have seen managers/supervisors afraid to reprimand individuals because of there colour , many not even bothering to follow the official procedure .

Why on earth can we just not have equality for all , and not be afraid to show or say it , rather then unequal equality for the minority .

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mkhammer wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:38 am
You want something enough ,work hard ,put the hours in,take the exams...you might just get what you want,and
if you keep on and on...you will get there...colour irrespective...especially in football...your not working to becoming a
high court judge FFS..
Then you might have a few questions..
Mk doesn't matter if your profession is to be a high court judge or a footballer if your good enough at what you want to do and have the qualifications or aptitude , there is no reason you should not get the job , what you shouldn't get is preferential treatment because of your race, age, sex, or disability. ,

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Clayton wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:01 pm
Towie wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:57 pm


In terms of football though there are 33% of total footballers that are black.
That is where they will have taken their proportions from.
Doesn't matter where they get their figures and stat's from we live in a country supposedly free from discrimination which for those that do not know is the unjust or prejudicial treatment of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, sex, or disability.
Well I can say without prejudice that is is a load of bollocks , doesn't matter where you live in the world their has always existed a freedom to discriminate even in this day and age .
I have been in the workforce since the age of 15 and on this planet for nearly 65 years , and have experienced and seen it with my own eyes , growing up from the age of 6 years and until I was 25 in Australia and New Zealand to English ( Pommie ) parents . I have travelled all over the Pacific and the Middle East in my life prior to settling down back in England in 1981 , ( where we cannot even be English or fly the Cross of St George , but its ok if your a Scot/Welsh or Irish ) .
Wasn't that long ago (15 years ) I myself was discriminated against , by the company I was employed by - a position was to become available that I was asked to apply for by my manager but prior to filling in the application he came and told me there was no point as he had been directed by the area manager that the position had to be given to one of two of my colleagues who had a different complexion . Neither had the qualifications or respect of their fellow workforce though they had been employed in the field over 10 years longer then me .
I have seen managers/supervisors afraid to reprimand individuals because of there colour , many not even bothering to follow the official procedure .

Why on earth can we just not have equality for all , and not be afraid to show or say it , rather then unequal equality for the minority .
Totally agree, we should all be free to apply to any position. In your instance (not sure how many years ago) you could have a very good case for discrimination.

Not sure what you mean about flags flying I see many st.George flags flying in peoples gardens around Luton.


In my post I was merely pointing out the % used for this proportion based on football not national statistics.
I don’t agree with quotas it goes against all my principles of equality for all.
It’s not what you do it is the way that you do it.

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Clayton wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:07 pm
mkhammer wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:38 am
You want something enough ,work hard ,put the hours in,take the exams...you might just get what you want,and
if you keep on and on...you will get there...colour irrespective...especially in football...your not working to becoming a
high court judge FFS..
Then you might have a few questions..
Mk doesn't matter if your profession is to be a high court judge or a footballer if your good enough at what you want to do and have the qualifications or aptitude , there is no reason you should not get the job , what you shouldn't get is preferential treatment because of your race, age, sex, or disability. ,
Yeah absolutely Clay,we agree...But...we can't deny it's harder in other areas of life to break thru....Footie is one of pretty
much equality ...look at our teams,we/footie shouldn't be the target of all this shit..in footie you want to be a manager/coach
the opportunities there...........for everyone.

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mkhammer wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:29 pm
Clayton wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:07 pm


Mk doesn't matter if your profession is to be a high court judge or a footballer if your good enough at what you want to do and have the qualifications or aptitude , there is no reason you should not get the job , what you shouldn't get is preferential treatment because of your race, age, sex, or disability. ,
Yeah absolutely Clay,we agree...But...we can't deny it's harder in other areas of life to break thru....Footie is one of pretty
much equality ...look at our teams,we/footie shouldn't be the target of all this shit..in footie you want to be a manager/coach
the opportunities there...........for everyone.
Obviously it isn't equal according to some in football , but I have seen it in the work place where one individual who came from a minority earnt his position throw getting the qualifications and hard work and another who just didn't have the application or intelligence but thought he was discriminated against more then once , some will use the race card .

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Towie wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:24 pm
Clayton wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:01 pm


Doesn't matter where they get their figures and stat's from we live in a country supposedly free from discrimination which for those that do not know is the unjust or prejudicial treatment of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, sex, or disability.
Well I can say without prejudice that is is a load of bollocks , doesn't matter where you live in the world their has always existed a freedom to discriminate even in this day and age .
I have been in the workforce since the age of 15 and on this planet for nearly 65 years , and have experienced and seen it with my own eyes , growing up from the age of 6 years and until I was 25 in Australia and New Zealand to English ( Pommie ) parents . I have travelled all over the Pacific and the Middle East in my life prior to settling down back in England in 1981 , ( where we cannot even be English or fly the Cross of St George , but its ok if your a Scot/Welsh or Irish ) .
Wasn't that long ago (15 years ) I myself was discriminated against , by the company I was employed by - a position was to become available that I was asked to apply for by my manager but prior to filling in the application he came and told me there was no point as he had been directed by the area manager that the position had to be given to one of two of my colleagues who had a different complexion . Neither had the qualifications or respect of their fellow workforce though they had been employed in the field over 10 years longer then me .
I have seen managers/supervisors afraid to reprimand individuals because of there colour , many not even bothering to follow the official procedure .

Why on earth can we just not have equality for all , and not be afraid to show or say it , rather then unequal equality for the minority .
Totally agree, we should all be free to apply to any position. In your instance (not sure how many years ago) you could have a very good case for discrimination.

Not sure what you mean about flags flying I see many st.George flags flying in peoples gardens around Luton.


In my post I was merely pointing out the % used for this proportion based on football not national statistics.
I don’t agree with quotas it goes against all my principles of equality for all.
As for a case of discrimination the union didn't want to know , by the way it was 15 years ago .
As far as the flag flying goes it was in one of the east london council areas , where they were asked to be removed , just an example .

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Clayton wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:02 pm
Towie wrote:
Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:24 pm




Not sure what you mean about flags flying I see many st.George flags flying in peoples gardens around Luton.


In my post I was merely pointing out the % for this proportion based on football not national statistics.
I don’t agree with quotas it goes against all my principles of equality for all.
As for a case of discrimination the union didn't want to know , by the way it was 15 years ago .
As far as the flag flying goes it was in one of the east london council areas , where they were asked to be removed , just an example .
I was asked to take our office Christmas decorations down because it offended the secretary that I had employed...she didn't last long.., ;)

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